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July 16, 2007

Good Riddance

Filed under: Uncategorized — Muli Ben-Yehuda @ 10:39 AM

openMosix Project End of Life Announcement.

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  1. πŸ˜•
    Happy about the end of a open source project? Are we missing something?

    Comment by Anonymous — July 16, 2007 @ 10:32 AM | Reply

    • Re: πŸ˜•
      A very specific “open source” project.

      Comment by mulix — July 16, 2007 @ 11:10 AM | Reply

  2. Re: interesting
    Buy me a beverage and you will get to hear all about it πŸ™‚

    Comment by mulix — July 16, 2007 @ 11:10 AM | Reply

  3. Indeed
    Now the real project can get the credit it deserves. I hate it when people steal credit. It was so annoying to read interviews where it was claimed that behind openMosix are years of research, when all this research was actually behind MOSIX.

    Comment by ladypine — July 16, 2007 @ 6:03 PM | Reply

    • Re: Indeed
      IIRC the person that started the openMosix fork was one of the original researchers, and just disagreed with the decision to take mosix (which is a derived work of the linux kernel if anything is) proprietary.

      Comment by Anonymous — July 16, 2007 @ 7:16 PM | Reply

      • Re: interesting
        You recall very wrongly.

        Comment by mulix — July 16, 2007 @ 8:34 PM

      • Re: Indeed
        Try to find “Moshe Bar” listed as an author on any Mosix paper out of Hebrew U πŸ™‚

        Comment by Anonymous — July 16, 2007 @ 8:52 PM

    • Re: Indeed
      Great. Now It will happen that I can get a piece of GPL software, modify on an invasive way, and sell with other licence (OK, for students I give without any cost, but with the same restrictive licence) And this will be good (read MOSIX2). Excuses are excuses, and if it is a credit thing, it can be issued in other way, not violating the GPL as in MOSIX2.
      Anyway, about the issue of the credit: I have been on a conference of one of oM contributors (not Moshe), and he said clearly that most of oM code comes from MOSIX, that the algorithm were developed from Barak research group. The presentation is in Internet archive, you can look for it (sorry, it is in Spanish). In the afterwards of the conference he said that he was personaly threaten by Barak with legal issues. For taking out GPL code. ΒΏIs this good? He looked that he apreciated Barak, and he did not look happy with the fork.
      MOSIX2 is another violation of the licence; but, as far as Moshe looks that is annioning to several kernel hackers (on your CV looks that you have worked with him after oM, and on oM things. He is such a bad guy? His sin has been propagated to the code, thou the kernel licence need not be applied to MOSIX2 code?

      Comment by Anonymous — July 18, 2007 @ 6:03 AM | Reply

      • Re: Indeed
        > MOSIX2 is another violation of the licence; but, as far as Moshe looks that is
        > annioning to several kernel hackers (on your CV looks that you have worked
        > with him after oM, and on oM things. He is such a bad guy? His sin has been
        > propagated to the code, thou the kernel licence need not be applied to MOSIX2
        > code?
        I don’t understand what you’re asking.
        Also, I will not approve anonymous comments any more—if you want to have a discussion, have the courtesy of signing your messages.

        Comment by mulix — July 18, 2007 @ 6:11 AM

  4. Re: interesting
    my guess is that people really really dislike Moshe Barr. If you noticed, he jumps around hyping things like crazy then ditching them (mosix, xen, now kvm) and deflecting credit from where credit is generally deserved and/or trying to ride on the coattails of other people. So people tend to dislike certain projects of his intensely (such as open mosix as a fork off “regular” mosix).
    Does that about some it up?

    Comment by Anonymous — July 16, 2007 @ 8:10 PM | Reply

  5. Re: interesting
    Moshe Bar is a specal character. His past behaviour was as crazy as Jeff Merkey’s (“A team ot top-lawyers are waching and documentiong his wrong moves like this one and he and his friends will be prosecuted in court soon” — the man, the legend!). It’s quite plausible to think that his involvement into Xen was behind the premature commercialization, failure to work with Linux and gaining the integration, and ultimately Xen being eclipsed by… you guessed it: his new venture! So far he was holding Avi on a long leash, which allowed KVM to make rapid progress, but naturally doubts are not far away.

    Comment by zaitcev — July 16, 2007 @ 9:05 PM | Reply

  6. hi Muli…I already predicted this too….
    Hi Muli…
    Just wanna share my personal comment. First, it’s all about Moshe. I recall that he was the one who bravely said “the 2.6 port will be finished in 2003”. The fact is…it’s never get stable. So we can conclude it’s his attitude that caused the oM developers flew away.
    Second, and related to #1, without even declared “official dead”, it’s already dead. The indication? 2.6.x never get stable. If only the 2.4.x based releases are still on goin’, maybe it won’t be this bad. But as we know, most people use and work on top of 2.6.x, so 2.4.x is kinda out of “view”.
    Third, IMHO oM isn’t dead. It’s the dead of Moshe’s leadership. period. And I am glad about that since it will open possibility of better management and better organization … of course, if somebody steps in and manage oM.
    For Orna, I am sorry to say that I was one of the folks that interviewed Moshe and wrote things which give impression that oM stole the credits that belongs to the MOSIX HUJI team. I was quite aware that the real credits should always be addressed to Prof Amnon Barak and his team.
    That’s all I can say. For my other “more offensive” postings, please dig oM mailing list archieve, somewhere dated back around May-September 2004.
    regards,
    Mulyadi

    Comment by Anonymous — July 19, 2007 @ 5:07 PM | Reply

    • Re: hi Muli…I already predicted this too….
      Moshe has burnt all the original team, and the most of his collaborators. You can feel this on former colaborators, ranging from “It’s only about the code, forget Moshe” to strong words in private. It is his actitude, his aptitude, and his guidance.
      But Moshe has a strong reputation on free software movement, and nobody -including the minor players on FOSS that have backed all the proyect from its begining- are going to speak about it in public. It is only about who has the microphone, and who has not.
      You have not to be too clever to see that Muli strongly despises (and maybe hates) Moshe. It is not a “recognicement to Barak thing”. It is not where is his Ph.D. or if he is a real Ph.D. It is personal.
      Do make what rest of people made: move on. The project has to die, for the algorithms survive on FOSS. I myself have oM code waiting for this to finish to get it free. And I am not the only one. Others that are formers contributers can/may/want made clustering stuff, but without Moshe. It is not personal only for Muli.
      Regards:
      — a former oM contributor (Muli, you have a way to discover who I am, but keep it private)

      Comment by Anonymous — July 21, 2007 @ 1:22 PM | Reply

  7. Hehehe
    Mulix: Good ridddance indeed! I still wake up sweating at night thinking about my short lived time in Qlusters.
    Down with Moshe Bar.
    Down with Qlusters.
    Down with Open Mosix.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 28, 2007 @ 10:14 AM | Reply


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